How should we determine completion badges

[NATERZ]

Please vote according to how you feel the Completion Badges should be given out. You don't have to say what you voted for and why. But please vote so we can have user input.

Badges will still be given for games that have glitched achievements.

[Nbag3]

Unless the zero pointers are glitched like in Medal of Honor, they should be required for a badge.

[Razor]

I say maximum score.. Just because in some games there are glitched achievements.. so it kinda suckers out a guy that should rightfully have the completion for it, but yet he can't cause one achievement is glitched..

Hmm.. but then 0 pointers.. Toughie i say..

[NATERZ]

I say maximum score.. Just because in some games there are glitched achievements.. so it kinda suckers out a guy that should rightfully have the completion for it, but yet he can't cause one achievement is glitched..

Hmm.. but then 0 pointers.. Toughie i say..

Glitched achievements are still treated the same way. If it's impossible for someone to get the achievement due to a game design malfunction then you can still obtain the completion badge.

[BadAzzNipples]

I see the 0 point achievements as something extra, like in halo 3 they have those to unlock the recon armor. In other words, I think there is a reason they reward you 0 points for those achievements.

[smrnov]

Definitely maximum score. Many 0 point achievements are negative, such as using the cheat in Superman. I didn't use the cheat, so I have 17/18 achievements but 1000 score. I could have easily activated the cheat, but I wanted to complete the game without it. LotR had 0 point achievements for losing. Why would I chose to lose? Similarly, Battle of the Pacific has a 0 point achievement for dying 250 times. I didn't want to suicide 250 times.

If it's a 0 point achievement that I would be proud of having, then I will try to get it. So far, most 0 points achievements are either negative or something a little "extra", like importing your pub games character into Fable 2, or playing on a certain day.

Other sites (360voice, true achievements) consider a completion based on score. I know CH doesn't like to compare itself to other sites, but it seems to be a general consensus that maximum points = 100% completion.

[Bishop]

How are you going to have "Completion badges" but then give a badge to someone who has not 100% the game? Ex. Say somebody got 1000GS in CoD: WaW but they do not have the 0 point secret achievements. That's not 100% therefore why would you give them a "Completion badge" for a game they have not yet completed?

Just my 2 cents though so don't get upset with me or anything.

[Razor]

Smrnov's got a point ;)

[Zombieslayer42]

Go smrnov!

[The Killer 47]

If you have all the points then you've finished the game. I agree that the zero pointers are usually "shame" achievements, so most of the time I don't bother with them.

[Exane22]

0 pointers are worth exactly that, 0. And it should count exactly that imo. I dont think you should add weight to achievements that arnt worth anything so I dont believe they should hinder people from getting the said badge.

[Spades12321]

To me if I dont have all the achievements the game is incomplete. I have a 1000 in MOH but I dont feel I have completed the game yet even though I have the completion badge. To me gamerscore doesnt matter, and if you dont have all the achievements then you should not request the badge. Some 0 points are shameful but some are really hard. Either way an achievement is an achievement and it needs to be unlocked.

[Razor]

Spades also has a point there ;)

[Clipse]

Completion - com·ple·tion
Pronunciation: \kəm-ˈplē-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 1657
1 : the act or process of completing
2 : the quality or state of being complete

My personal take on it is that one must complete all achievements for a completion badge. It doesn't matter if they are "shameful" achievements, N+ has an achievement for dying 1000 times and that alone is "shameful" but its worth points so its worth getting even though its shameful. Don't characterize 0 point achievements as shame achievements when there are shame achievements in other games that gamerscore whores are more than happy to obtain because they're worth points.

We're talking about completions, when you get the max gamerscore in a game is it truly completed? Did you complete every goal (or achievement) the developer has designed for you, the gamer, to do in said game? If you have unobtained achievements then I would say "No, you have not and thus you have not completed the game."

[Razor]

Touche'

Smrnov is now out-numbered 2-1 here :p

[Exane22]

Ok, sorry but we can all read. We really don't need an announcer dude ;)

Clipse, you kinda changed my mind. I still don't really like that it would effect the badges but I completely understand what your saying.

[Clipse]

Clipse, you kinda changed my mind. I still don't really like that it would effect the badges but I completely understand what your saying.

Well I'm looking at it in a developers point of view, they sure as shit aren't putting those 0 point achievements in for their health, maybe for some amusement to see who'd do them. Either way you look at it the developers put those achievements in the game for them to be obtained, achieved, and completed.

[Exane22]

I still think they are pointless though. They should be puttin shit like this in games instead :)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h236/brettben1/Emoticons/bounce.gif

Sorry, Ive been dying to use this one :p

[BadAzzNipples]

I still think they shouldn't count. There are plenty of games that have other things to be done to be "complete" than getting 1000 achievements. If we go that route of reasoning we would have to say we need to max prestige in cod4 to get a badge.

Just like the developers made those achievements for a reason they also made them worth 0 points for a reason.

[Clipse]

I still think they shouldn't count. There are plenty of games that have other things to be done to be "complete" than getting 1000 achievements. If we go that route of reasoning we would have to say we need to max prestige in cod4 to get a badge.

Just like the developers made those achievements for a reason they also made them worth 0 points for a reason.

Why must you complicate things Nipples? Gamerscore and achievement count are measurable and are whats at the heart of this debate. I'll admit that max prestige in CoD 4 is also measurable, however doesn't count toward an achievement or points; just how big you want your E-penis to be.

It shouldn't matter if the achievements were meant to be made worth 0 points or not, they're still in the game and they should still be achieved for a completion badge. If you just get the max points but still have achievements left to get what makes you think you've completed it? Just because they're worth minimal points doesn't mean they shouldn't be achieved. When is a game complete (by measurable standard) when all achievements are obtained or when all gamerscore is obtained?

Achievement whores will say GS because they don't want to deal with 0 point achievements, they got what they want and are ready to move on. But they want that recognition for "completing" the game even when they haven't truly completed it. (another E-penis issue)

Completionists will say all achievements should be obtained including 0 point ones because they complete the process of collecting achievements in a game.

[Exane22]

The argument is as simple as what are we judging as a completion, 1000/1000 gs or x/x achievements. Pick your poison :rolleyes: everyone is making this way more complicated then it really is ;)

[Spades12321]

Just another point, if there was no gamerscore involved but you could still gain achievements, then you would have to get all the achievements to gain the badge. It is only the fact that numbers are put to them that makes people feel that 0 point ones are worthless. Either way I am not bothered what happens.

Unless the zero pointers are glitched like in Medal of Honor, they should be required for a badge.

Its not actually glitched, I originally thought it was, its buggy. People have obtained it but the problem is if you do the requirements it doesnt pop up. You have to do a lot more but no one knows what else you have to do to unlock it. Loads of theories have arised but nothing certain.

[BadAzzNipples]

Why must you complicate things Nipples? Gamerscore and achievement count are measurable and are whats at the heart of this debate. I'll admit that max prestige in CoD 4 is also measurable, however doesn't count toward an achievement or points; just how big you want your E-penis to be.



Why so hostile? The only game I've even played that has 0 point achievements is halo 3 and I already have those... I'm really not trying to make a big epenis. I'm just stating my opinion, which again you completely misinterpret. Yes, making someone get the highest prestige in cod4 is complicated and ridiculous... that's my point.

You think the developers making them 0 points is irrelevant and it has all the relevance in my opinion. To me someone decided to make them worthless, they didn't just end up that way.

That's what I think. You can insult me, or restate you opinion or whatever you like...

[Spades12321]

I think the reason that CoDWaW made those online achievements 0 points is because of loads of people complaining about how the general achievement in CoD 3 was stopping them getting a 1000. Treyarch probably still wanted to put a really long online achievement in there but made it 0 points so people can still get a 1000 without playing online for hours.

[Exane22]

Why so hostile? The only game I've even played that has 0 point achievements is halo 3 and I already have those... I'm really not trying to make a big epenis. I'm just stating my opinion, which again you completely misinterpret. Yes, making someone get the highest prestige in cod4 is complicated and ridiculous... that's my point.

You think the developers making them 0 points is irrelevant and it has all the relevance in my opinion. To me someone decided to make them worthless, they didn't just end up that way.

That's what I think. You can insult me, or restate you opinion or whatever you like...
But you fail to realize that completion badges are given out strictly for achievements. It doesn't have anything to do with anything in game if it doesn't relate to achievements. Though you make a decent point on completing games, you kinda missed the whole point of the thread to begin with, soz :rolleyes:

[Clipse]

Why so hostile? The only game I've even played that has 0 point achievements is halo 3 and I already have those... I'm really not trying to make a big epenis. I'm just stating my opinion, which again you completely misinterpret. Yes, making someone get the highest prestige in cod4 is complicated and ridiculous... that's my point.

You think the developers making them 0 points is irrelevant and it has all the relevance in my opinion. To me someone decided to make them worthless, they didn't just end up that way.

That's what I think. You can insult me, or restate you opinion or whatever you like...

1. How am I hostile?

2. We're talking about CoD 4's max prestige not Halo 3. Max prestige and its effect on the E-penis was simple, get Prestige 10 and you believe people should be bowing at your feet, hot ladies should be feeding you grapes, and you pwn all n00bs in the world of Call of Duty; at least thats how alot of people came off as. Call of Duty 4's prestige mode was an optional thing that didn't count towards an achievement or points, maxing prestige wouldn't be needed to complete a game.

3. If I think 0 point achievements should be obtained before a completion badge is given, how do you figure that I think they are irrelevant? Obviously I think those 0 point achievements are relevant to getting a completion badge otherwise I wouldn't think that way. <--This sentence makes no fucking sense at all, but I'm keeping it. :p

4. Why would I insult you? I have nothing against you.

[BadAzzNipples]

But you fail to realize that completion badges are given out strictly for achievements. It doesn't have anything to do with anything in game if it doesn't relate to achievements. Though you make a decent point on completing games, you kinda missed the whole point of the thread to begin with, soz :rolleyes:

are you serious? you really think I missed that one? The cod4 thing was to relate to the 0 point achievements... look at it this way.

sure, having 1000 points but not all achievements is not "complete" but on a game like cod4 neither is having all the achievements.

I hope that clears it up for you. Unless you're just trying to make me look like an idiot.

[Exane22]

are you serious? you really think I missed that one? The cod4 thing was to relate to the 0 point achievements... look at it this way.

sure, having 1000 points but not all achievements is not "complete" but on a game like cod4 neither is having all the achievements.

I hope that clears it up for you. Unless you're just trying to make me look like an idiot.

I think you still are missing it, and imo your doing it to yourself. I don't care to make anyone look dumb tbh, your the one going completely off subject trying to relate the prestige's to 0 point achievements. If you think your looking dumb then its your fault and not mine.

Your logic is still flawed since we should be staying focused around achievements. I know what you are trying to say, but it just doesn't work since they arent on the same system. You can continue to blabber on all you want, but to be honest, I really don't give a flying fuck :/

[BadAzzNipples]

1. How am I hostile?

2. We're talking about CoD 4's max prestige not Halo 3. Max prestige and its effect on the E-penis was simple, get Prestige 10 and you believe people should be bowing at your feet, hot ladies should be feeding you grapes, and you pwn all n00bs in the world of Call of Duty; at least thats how alot of people came off as. Call of Duty 4's prestige mode was an optional thing that didn't count towards an achievement or points, maxing prestige wouldn't be needed to complete a game.

3. If I think 0 point achievements should be obtained before a completion badge is given, how do you figure that I think they are irrelevant? Obviously I think those 0 point achievements are relevant to getting a completion badge otherwise I wouldn't think that way. <--This sentence makes no fucking sense at all, but I'm keeping it. :p

4. Why would I insult you? I have nothing against you.

oh my bad lol I thought you were talking about my post, not cod4. I thought you were saying I was being a dick or something? I don't know... that was hostile to me because I didn't understand it, now i see why haha well I was saying that they made them 0 instead of x amount of points is irrelevant.

I honestly don't care either way, I just like to debate. :P

I'm glad you don't have anything against me. I thought I pissed you off again some how lol

edit: exane, I don't think I missed anything or that I'm looking dumb.. at this point I think we just disagree. I think the idea of a game being complete all together is important to consider when deciding if 0 point achievements should be included in a completion badge. That's not off subject, but saying that I'm disregarding the whole topic is making look like an idiot... because I don't think I am

[EGirish]

I think that if you get 100% of the GS for a game, that the badge should get awarded...I personally try to get the "0" point achievments, just because i want them. but i feel that if somebody gets 100% of the GS that they deserve a badge for their hard work.

[Mavren]

Some people do count total achievements they have... Some people only count gamerscore. I guess it's whatever level of OCD is involved to either say "Meh" to those 0 pointers, or they "need" to have them all..

Gotta catch them all...

I think I'll lean towards that 0 pointers are still achievements, cause they were put in there to be obtained, even if they don't extend the gamescore at all.

[AJMac]

I think that if you get 100% of the GS for a game, that the badge should get awarded...I personally try to get the "0" point achievments, just because i want them. but i feel that if somebody gets 100% of the GS that they deserve a badge for their hard work.

But is unlocking every achievement not more hard work than simply achieving 100% GS?

I was for the GS before this thread, but reading peoples reasons I think I may have to go with achievements.

[Brighton X]

I'll some this up in one picture...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/X_Brighton_X/spades1000.jpg

Here Spades has 1000 in MOH, but only 97%. 97% is not a completion.

EDIT: No disrespect to you Spades, just needed an example and you posted you were missing a 0 in MOH.

[Razor]

Ok, sorry but we can all read. We really don't need an announcer dude ;)
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IF I FEEL LIKE ANNOUNCING I WILL FUCKING ANNOUNCE!! :p

But seriously like Clipse and I were talking about last night.. Pretty much everything he said in here.. If you leave out a 0 point achievement and you have 1000 but only 29/30 achievements.. Is it really completed? In my eyes no, is the GS whores eyes, yes.

It can be said both ways really.. I am a person who could really give a shit about this outcome since i do not play for GS or leaderboards or that shit.. But thats my side of the story :)

[Spades12321]

I am glad you used me as an example Brighton as I share the same view, although I have the MOH badge I dont feel I deserve it because I am missing that one achievement. As you can see there it says 97% unlocked not 100%. :)

The one thing that annoys me though is that I have fufilled the requirements for that achievement, but the buggy shit wont pop.:(

[The Killer 47]

I am glad you used me as an example Brighton as I share the same view, although I have the MOH badge I dont feel I deserve it because I am missing that one achievement. As you can see there it says 97% unlocked not 100%. :)

The one thing that annoys me though is that I have fufilled the requirements for that achievement, but the buggy shit wont pop.:( Its the same thing for me with LOTR where I didn't get the "lose 10 matches in a row" achievement. I know I did that, but I just didn't get it. It seemed kind of pointless (no pun intended) to sit there and throw matches until I got it.

[Spades12321]

Its the same thing for me with LOTR where I didn't get the "lose 10 matches in a row" achievement. I know I did that, but I just didn't get it. It seemed kind of pointless (no pun intended) to sit there and throw matches until I got it.

I remeber you talking to me about that. I had the same problem, its because you quit the match/level instead of playing it through. The achievements in that game pop up when you get the victory or defeated sign come up at the end of the match/level. If you just quit the match/level then you wont get the achievement because you wont of had the defeated message come up at the end of the game.

[Rocket]

This is one of those things where its a glass half full/half empty scenario. ON one hand you have the achievements, which are 0 points. The other you have the other 1000 points and whatever number of achievements.

0 pointers to me are not worth going for. If you get them you do, but if not its not really a big deal. They put the GS behind them for a reason, which is why a lot of gamers hound for achievements. 0 pointers USUALLY make you do something that is negative, that you would not normally do or is not a characteristic of the game in itself.

Clipse, you brought up the 1000 deaths in N+. If you look at any gamers card that has played the game and has 200, you will more than likely see that they got the 1000 deaths well before they finished the game. You die, a lot in N+. Sure it is negative, but that 1 gamer in 1000 that had to continue after he completed everything else to get that achievement would be the only one who could say that he had to go back for something negative. Dying is a part of that game, its all about trial and error, getting back on the horse to find the right path.

[Crash]

I feel a badge should be given for getting all the points in a game, not including 0 pointers. Some 0 Pointers are just not, for lack of a better term right now, logical for a badge.

A couple examples from games that I played:

Fable II Pub Games - Has a zero point achievement for importing your character into an entirely different game. While most will be doing that, it shouldn't be expected for a person to pay out money to buy or rent another game to get a 0 pointer for a badge.

Small Arms - A viral achievement. I have played a good amount online and never came across anyone with this achievement. And it will be much harder now that not too many still play this game.

[Exane22]

I question why we cant leave it up to the individual requesting the badge, I mean sure its not uniform persay but still. People who feel they need those zero pointers are more then welcome to hold off on requesting the badge until they have the achievement. So far the current system seems to be working perfectly fine, and I see no reason to fix something that isnt broken ;)

[NATERZ]

The current system works fine. We are just trying to better it. We are trying to get a sense of how to better the system with the input from everyone. Some feel that 0 point achievements are a big deal while others don't see them as anything but a frustrating achievement that shouldn't be held against them.

The problem is that we don't want anyone to complain because this person has a badge for a game when they don't have all the achievements. A 0 point achievement doesn't increase your gamerscore but it's still an achievement.

[Exane22]

Thats the whole thing though, why would anyone complain :confused: I'm not saying people wont but I mean are you serious, take the damn stick out of your butt. Its not like x3h has a cut throat completion badge community or anything. The whole point of the badges was a "hey, look. I got all the points in this game" to show to your friends. I should know since It was Me, Legion, and a few others who came up with the idea. I'm not saying don't make changes, I'm just saying that this is getting blown way out of proportion and is starting to become something that it wasn't indented to be. Personally, if you guys go all strict on the badges, I think they may lose their appeal to the masses and only be for the more hardcore, or at least they will look that way.

meh, whatever. Ive said my piece.

[NATERZ]

Thats the whole thing though, why would anyone complain :confused: I'm not saying people wont but I mean are you serious, take the damn stick out of your butt. Its not like x3h has a cut throat completion badge community or anything. The whole point of the badges was a "hey, look. I got all the points in this game" to show to your friends. I should know since It was Me, Legion, and a few others who came up with the idea. I'm not saying don't make changes, I'm just saying that this is getting blown way out of proportion and is starting to become something that it wasn't indented to be. Personally, if you guys go all strict on the badges, I think they may lose their appeal to the masses and only be for the more hardcore, or at least they will look that way.

meh, whatever. Ive said my piece.

Take the damn stick out of my butt??? I don't like the tone of that. So you might watch what you say next time.

And we are just trying to make it fair to everyone. And if we wanted to be strict, as you call it, then we wouldn't have wanted input from the x3h users. The current systems is "flawed" in a way and we are just trying to correct it.

Oh, and you seem to be the only one who is blowing this out of a proportion.

[Exane22]

Naterz, calm down. I was referring to whoever is/would be crying over them, not you, mr. hardass :rolleyes:

[NATERZ]

Naterz, calm down. I was referring to whoever is/would be crying over them, not you, mr. hardass :rolleyes:

I just wanted to make sure. I knew that it wasn't you to be like that. But I just wanted to put my foot down. I didn't want a blond haired, collar popping prick to say that to me:p

[Zombieslayer42]

Hey ladies calm down.

[BadAzzNipples]

We're talking about completions, when you get the max gamerscore in a game is it truly completed? Did you complete every goal (or achievement) the developer has designed for you, the gamer, to do in said game?

But you fail to realize that completion badges are given out strictly for achievements. It doesn't have anything to do with anything in game if it doesn't relate to achievements.



sure, having 1000 points but not all achievements is not "complete" but on a game like cod4 neither is having all the achievements.





oh yeah I was completely off subject lol I was way out of it when I made those posts so I thought I was just rambling on but clearly I was talking about the quote from clipse when comparing cod4 to achievements with a 0 score. What's really funny is exane and I actually agree on this and some how still disputed the relevance of 0 point achievements.

Maybe you should check your own butt for sticks before you look for a butt to put your stick in... wait is that how it goes?

[codedigital]

The Heroes have spoken.


Completion badges will be awarded based on maximum score. Therefore, games like CoD W@W will be awarded to people that have 1000 and not the prestige 0 pointers.



Thanks for your votes.

[Skuff]

sweet.. ;)

[Exane22]

Right on, that is great news to me :)

[Khaos x3h]

I just thought of this after seeing Rockets post in the request area. What about Halo 3? 1250 is the maximum for it until the new DLC is released. I don't know just something to ponder about.

[Rocket]

See, here is the issue with that Khaos...if we give it out to everyone who hits 1250...in the next couple months when the other achievements become available, we're going to have to do double work...go in and delete all the badges we give out, then have to come back when people get the 1750. Double work, for a non completion. 1250 is whats available now, but the achievements aren't glitched, they will become available...

[Khaos x3h]

I never thought about that part. I don't know how the whole system for adding completion badges work. If it's alot of extra work, then I will agree with Rocket.