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Brighton X
01-22-2008, 12:02 AM
(CBS/AP) There's no evidence that meat or milk derived from healthy cloned farm animals can harm people, the Food and Drug Administration says in its first attempt at assessing questions about the emerging technology.

That doesn't mean Americans will be eating cloned meat any time soon, stressed Dr. Stephen Sundlof, the FDA's veterinary medicine chief.

The FDA wants public reaction to its assessment of cloning's impact on the food supply before it decides if cloned farm animals will require government approval before being sold as food — a decision expected to take another year.

Meanwhile, the industry has voluntarily agreed for the last several years not to allow any products from cloned animals into the food supply, a moratorium Sundlof said the FDA expects to be upheld until it settles the issue.

The agency last year asked the prestigious National Research Council to study foods made from cloned animals. The council, an independent group that advises the government on scientific issues, concluded that cloned meat and other products seem safe.

The FDA will look two issues: Are the animals themselves healthy, and are the products nutritionally indistinguishable from those produced by non-cloned animals?

By its very definition, a successfully cloned animal should be no different from the original animal whose DNA was used to create it.

But the technology hasn't been perfected, meaning many attempts end in birth defects. The FDA acknowledged concern about the animals' welfare in an 11-page summary of its initial review, to be posted on the agency's Web site Friday.

"The frequency of live normal births appears to be low, although the situation appears to be improving as the technology matures," the review says.

Still, cloning-related birth defects aren't that different from problems seen in the early days of other assisted reproduction techniques in farming, the FDA says.

When it comes to animals that are born healthy, there are some differences between the cloned and non-cloned at young ages. "But as the animal matures, they become indistinguishable," Sundlof said.

If it concludes cloned food products are safe, the FDA then must decide if cloning is just another form of assisted reproduction on the farm — which it doesn't regulate — or if each product will require specific approval before selling.

Although preliminary, the FDA's findings are causing consternation for some consumer advocates.

The FDA hasn't yet completed writing the 300-page scientific review on which the summary is based, even though the agency is asking its scientific advisers to critique the risk assessment next week. How, critics wonder, can anyone be confident of the FDA's review of such an important matter on the basis of 11 pages of vague information?

In addition, the FDA hasn't yet considered the societal reaction to using cloned animals for food, something the National Research Council specifically urged addressing, said Carol Tucker Foreman of the Consumer Federation of America.

"Sixty percent of the American people flat out oppose cloning, so there are scientific issues here, but there are a lot of other issues to consider as well," she told CBS Radio News.

Nor is it clear that the FDA has the legal authority to stop a cloner emboldened by these preliminary findings from breaking the moratorium and selling cloned products, she said.

"The FDA can take no action against them if they decide to go ahead and move forward, and yet this is only a preliminary report," Foreman, CFA's Director of Food Policy, said.

She accused the FDA of pulling a Halloween trick on consumers.

"Most Americans find cloning animals to be a pretty scary proposition," she said.

Consumer reaction could prove key to whether food producers want to invest in cloning technology or not. Foods that are genetically modified face trade barriers overseas despite FDA assurances that those now sold are safe. While cloning means a genetic copy, not genetic modification, public understanding of biotechnology is sketchy.

"If these products are safe, is the consumer confident in that?" asked Stephanie Childs of the Grocery Manufacturers of America. "We're definitely examining this issue very closely."

Source: CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/31/health/main581135.shtml)

iJohn
01-22-2008, 12:03 AM
They pretty much are safe. It is just basic DNA replication. But still, I cannot get it out of my head that some stuff you eat is cloned. Thank god my dad is a health nut:p

The Killer 47
01-22-2008, 12:06 AM
Even if "they" say its safe to eat, the idea still creeps me out. I don't particularly trust the FDA's word.

Azeron
01-22-2008, 01:22 AM
The FDA isn't there to keep the public happy, it's there to keep their food safe. If there's no measurable health risk to consuming cloned foodstuffs then of course the ban should be lifted.

Stealth
01-22-2008, 04:08 AM
thats just plain weird why anyone would want to eat that unless we went into a national crisis and suddenly ran out of all food except cloned hypatheticaly speaking of course

XXXJUICEDXXX
01-22-2008, 04:42 AM
I will not buy these items if I have the choice . This door should be left shut and encouraging it in anyway (as this is) will damn the human race. This is my opinion and I hope it does not offend anyone.

Burner110
01-22-2008, 12:53 PM
Um...I don't really see that as being healthy for you. How can eating something from a test tube animal good for u watch there be a weird disease that u get from it

iJohn
01-22-2008, 12:58 PM
Um...I don't really see that as being healthy for you. How can eating something from a test tube animal good for u watch there be a weird disease that u get from it

There can only be a disease if the th "test tube" is not sterile, and/or the "parent animal" had the disease already. So to make this process safer, it requires A LOT of approval to examine animals, and to find any extraordinary differences between both meats.

Azeron
01-22-2008, 06:31 PM
Um...I don't really see that as being healthy for you. How can eating something from a test tube animal good for u watch there be a weird disease that u get from it
Sorry, but where in the world did you get that idea?

Don't let fear of new things overshadow your rational thought people.

RoAFie
01-25-2008, 06:04 AM
Erm...wow awkward at least for me.

Personally I support this. It's a good fast way of making food. There's no difference between the two. Crazy hippies just scared the crap out of everyone. The only thing I can think of that might affect food as far as disease is maybe aging of the clones and even that would be extremely extremely rare. They would basically have to try and clone old plants and stuff for that to be a concern. Logically they probably use younger specimen for cloning. Overall the FDA is incredibly incredibly strict on what people can and can't eat as far as when it comes to issues such as genetic cloning. Because of the overall hype of this the FDA makes damn well sure that food is healthy.

Overall meat is meat and food is food. All complaining about this food does is starve people that can't eat. This is probably the closest we can come right now to solving hunger right now. If hippies want to starve kids in Africa knock yourselves out.

tenaciousdave
01-25-2008, 08:17 PM
Freaking sweet. I want a double cheese burger made from cloned cows.

As for it damning man kind you should pull the bible out of your ass and realize that religion is a sham.

XXXJUICEDXXX
02-02-2008, 12:20 AM
Freaking sweet. I want a double cheese burger made from cloned cows.

As for it damning man kind you should pull the bible out of your ass and realize that religion is a sham.

:omg: WoW , someone going to HeLL. :stupid:

codedigital
02-04-2008, 03:00 PM
:omg: WoW , someone going to HeLL. :stupid:

I suppose I am too then. :p

Burner110
02-04-2008, 05:18 PM
Erm...wow awkward at least for me.

Personally I support this. It's a good fast way of making food. There's no difference between the two. Crazy hippies just scared the crap out of everyone. The only thing I can think of that might affect food as far as disease is maybe aging of the clones and even that would be extremely extremely rare. They would basically have to try and clone old plants and stuff for that to be a concern. Logically they probably use younger specimen for cloning. Overall the FDA is incredibly incredibly strict on what people can and can't eat as far as when it comes to issues such as genetic cloning. Because of the overall hype of this the FDA makes damn well sure that food is healthy.

Overall meat is meat and food is food. All complaining about this food does is starve people that can't eat. This is probably the closest we can come right now to solving hunger right now. If hippies want to starve kids in Africa knock yourselves out.

II never even thought of it helping third world countries and I am a big activist for things like poverty in Africa. Wow finally a moment when I think the world actually did something right

Brighton X
02-04-2008, 06:28 PM
Yeah if you think about it, if they clone a lot of animals, this could end world hunger.

Azeron
02-04-2008, 06:43 PM
Yeah if you think about it, if they clone a lot of animals, this could end world hunger.
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Cloned animals eat just as much as regular animals you know. If you want to end world hunger, stop eating meat. The amount of feed a single animal requires, compared to the amount if meat it produces it absolutely ridiculous The majority of agriculture in Africa and to a lesser extent southern America is dedicated to producing animal feed for the west, often in ways which exhaust the soil and contribute to deforestation.

codedigital
02-04-2008, 07:31 PM
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Cloned animals eat just as much as regular animals you know. If you want to end world hunger, stop eating meat. The amount of feed a single animal requires, compared to the amount if meat it produces it absolutely ridiculous The majority of agriculture in Africa and to a lesser extent southern America is dedicated to producing animal feed for the west, often in ways which exhaust the soil and contribute to deforestation.

To quote Ron White:

Vegetarian: "Not only because meat is bad for you but the raising of cattle is bad for the planet what with cow flatulence in the Ozone and the clearing of plains for the raising of cattle. Ron, what are you doing to help the environment?"

*pause*

Ron: "I'm eatin' the cow.......but I'm only one man!"

Burner110
02-04-2008, 08:07 PM
To quote Ron White:

Vegetarian: "Not only because meat is bad for you but the raising of cattle is bad for the planet what with cow flatulence in the Ozone and the clearing of plains for the raising of cattle. Ron, what are you doing to help the environment?"

*pause*

Ron: "I'm eatin' the cow.......but I'm only one man!"

OMG!!! cow flatulence hurts the ozone layer:omg:



Lol

Azeron
02-04-2008, 08:09 PM
Livestock actually produces a frightening amount of methane, a greenhouse gas.

codedigital
02-04-2008, 08:09 PM
OMG!!! cow flatulence hurts the ozone layer:omg:



Lol


You didn't know that? It's actually said to be more harmful than the output from cars.

Azeron
02-04-2008, 08:17 PM
In general, the contribution to CO2 emissions from cars are greatly overexagerrated, just because it's an example people can relate to and because it's one of the easiest to significantly reduce. The biggest culprit will allways be heavy industry though, to the extent that emmisions from traffic pale in comparison.

codedigital
02-04-2008, 08:29 PM
The livestock industry contributes more to the greenhouse effect than cars, the UN food and farming agency said in a report Wednesday which also slammed this sector as a major source of soil and water degradation. "The livestock sector generates more greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalent than transport," said the report by the Rome-based Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO).

Source: http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Farm_Animals_More_Damaging_To_Climate_Than_Cars_99 9.html

http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/39230/story.htm

Burner110
02-04-2008, 09:12 PM
You didn't know that? It's actually said to be more harmful than the output from cars.

Wow Duckin' cows we should exterminate them all and make one giant hamburger.

Brighton X
02-04-2008, 09:17 PM
Wow Duckin' cows we should exterminate them all and make one giant hamburger.
*licks lips*

soldat329x
02-05-2008, 12:31 AM
I see it as this. I eat Betsy the cow, nothing happens to me. They clone Betsy 1,000,000 times. Thats 1,000,000 times the cow, and no disease to boot.

xDJx Webbie
02-05-2008, 09:03 PM
I see it as this. I eat Betsy the cow, nothing happens to me. They clone Betsy 1,000,000 times. Thats 1,000,000 times the cow, and no disease to boot.

well unfortaneatly i agree with you lol it still seems pretty gross though